Poll: Should 'Under God' Be Removed From Pledge?

A Massachusetts family faced a judge Monday to ask to remove "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance.

For many years, it has been a tradition for students across the country to start the day by placing their hands over their hearts and reciting the Pledge of Allegiance.

The controversy over the words "under God" in the pledge is almost as much of a tradition as the pledge itself. But recently, a Massachusetts family reportedly asked a judge to force their school district to exclude the phrase during recitation, according to a Fox News story.

The family members, who consider themselves atheists, are reportedly arguing that the phrase violates "equal protection" laws and faced a Superior Court judge Monday.

So Wrentham, we want to know ...

Today's question: Do you think the words "under God" should be removed from the Pledge of Allegiance? Does the pledge discriminate against those who don't believe in God?

Stephanie G Jolly February 23, 2012 at 01:47 AM
As a Marine you should certainly understand the idea of freedom. Allow those to say what they wish, if you don't agree just don't say it. No one is being forced to say the pledge of allegiance. Don't you have better things to worry about like how corrupt and immoral politicians are? I wonder why? They only believe in greed and themselves. Humans as a whole are incapable of success without a higher power. No one in America is forced to practice Christianity or say the pledge. Please respect those that want to say the pledge and believe we are one nation under God if we are to be prosperous and moral.
Lianna February 23, 2012 at 01:48 AM
It should be removed. I'm a teacher currently working at a school in which children ARE forced to say the pledge. Nobody is allowed to just stand there as per the administration's policy. It's not right. By removing the words "under god," nobody is being spoiled and asking others to believe as they do. It's actually the opposite. We are asking that the constitution be observed. By saying things like if these things offend you "get out of America," you are saying that if people don't believe in god, they aren't welcome here. Just like all of the believers in this country, I was born and raised here, and I have equal rights to stay.
Melissa Welch February 23, 2012 at 01:56 AM
What's the point of a pledge, anyway? It seems creepy to stand in unison and repeat the same thing everyday like a broken record. Plus a flag is an inanimate object..what exactly are people communicating?"I'm a good patriot because i talk to a flag every morning." ?? Weird.
Hermoine Spuds February 23, 2012 at 02:42 AM
Stephanie Jolly - it is the SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE! No one wants to remove religions from all life, but rather, people want the government out of the business of endorsing religion. That is exactly what "Under God" and "In God We Trust" does...what if it was switched to "Allah" or "Yahweh"? Some consider them all the same Abrahamic god. The statements were added for silly reasons and to remove them only fulfills what our Founding Fathers wanted in our government. Many forget that they left England because religion was forced on them. They wanted better for our new nation - to be able to believe what we want, even if it doesn't coincide with what the government endorses. YOU are acting like a spoiled brat. YOU are trying to force YOUR beliefs on those of us who do not believe what you believe. You are seeing things from an emotional standpoint. Those of us who support the removal of those sayings are doing so from a rational, law abiding standpoint. BIG difference.
r Harris February 23, 2012 at 03:17 AM
Stephanie, YOU'RE the hypocrite! Get an education FFS! Religion does NOT belong in govt affairs, and this country belongs to ALL of us, NOT just christians, especially not those who have a one track mind and narrow vision. It is YOU who is obviously brainwashed to the extent that you totally missed the point! This is not a theocracy, and was never intended to be. GET OVER YOURSELF!
r Harris February 23, 2012 at 03:19 AM
Thank you Will, Hermione, and all othet voices.of reason.
J B Fox February 23, 2012 at 04:07 AM
Let's take a moment and remove Atheism from the picture. What if I practice a religion that has many gods or none at all? Why should your religion take preference over mine? I would like to see the Pledge restored to it's original wording.
freedom of religion February 23, 2012 at 04:18 AM
Stephanie, Don't waste your time debating with these self righteous, arrogant, closed minded individuals. The poll asked to comment if you voted no, yet they love to hear themselves, my point. See how they are calling you out as if it is coordinated. It is, because they are like zombies attacking the living. They are so disorganized they have post links such as this on their facebook page to rally the other zombies. It is like they sit around and read the same crap from the same people then quote it as truth. In what realm is not knowing evidence for knowing? Yea, yea the burden of proof is on the one who presents it as truth, that is a two way street. Do you claim no God as the truth because he can't be proven? Answer this: If our God was equal to us in knowledge or any other characteristic, would he be God? If He could be proved through any of our 5 senses would we require faith? Keep your mind closed, your heart will follow. One more thing, Faith is a gift from God. So I wouldn't except you to get it, but you could return the favor and quit expecting us to give up our rights to suit yours.
freedom of religion February 23, 2012 at 04:29 AM
Since we Christians weren't properly educated, please inform me this. Did the Pilgrams come here to seek freedom of religion? Did our founding fathers have an issue the the state church of England? Twist the truth if you may, but SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE is to prevent government from taking away the religious rights of its citizens. In fact the letter Ben Franklin wrote was to a CHURCH!! But yet, here we are demanding CHRISTIANS relinquish their rights. Why can't Christianity be seen as a lifestyle, change the constitution to ensure we get equal rights.
B Hauser February 23, 2012 at 04:33 AM
If there is to be a pledge of allegiance in schools then it should NOT have under god in it. It should be as it was initially written. This is something led by the teacher in school, it is wrong to promote one belief over another. This shows, promotes, and teaches intolerance. You are basically telling the children with differing or no beliefs that they are not welcome in our club. This is akin to the grown-ups saying if you do not like something here then move to another place. That is called tyranny, to be so intolerant of those that are different you tell them to leave. We live in a free society, and like Will I spent 8 years defending that freedom in the US Military. This freedom extends to all, and in public, or state run establishments we CANNOT promote one religion over another. This is not saying you cannot say something the way you want, feel free to pray before or after school, feel free to do what you want in that regard. As a group, especially in schools, it should all remain neutral. Not promoting one over another. Children have plenty of reasons to alienate one another, let's not add another one to the bunch.
Jeff Sherry February 23, 2012 at 04:39 AM
for, you have full rights under the constitution. It strikes me as odd that the religious seem to think they are losing rights, when in fact secular government protects your rights. Which set of rights are you losing?
Jeff Sherry February 23, 2012 at 04:45 AM
SG Jolly, you really don't seem to have any concept of freedom or even what the founding fathers created with the constitution. Can you give any factual reasons why it is necessary to have God on U.S. currency or in the pledge?
Melissa Welch February 23, 2012 at 06:00 AM
@freedomofreligion..."Freedom of Religion" means ALL religion. Not just Christian. Which is a point that is kind of a big deal if you are a Muslim student attending a public school that makes you pledge to the christian god. Resorting to calling names to people who disagree with you is not very christian, by the way.
rabbit February 23, 2012 at 06:32 AM
Im with Lianna and b hauser. I live here, I grew up here. I want my kids to be able to say the pledge to their flag and country without having to say we are "under god". Some of us don't think we are under anything but the sky. The pledge was written by Francis j. Bellamy, a Baptist minister. It was written at a time when immigrants were flooding into America and the pledge was a way to unite everyone and americanize the new additions to our great country. Even though he was a Christian, Bellamy purposefully left out any reference to religion or god. He felt the pledge should be for EVERY one. He died in 1931 and would certainly be upset by the 1954 addition of "under god" to his pledge by the knights of Columbus and president Eisenhower. I feel the pledge is a wonderful piece of American history and a tradition I would like my children to participate in despite our lack of faith in something we think is silly.
rabbit February 23, 2012 at 07:05 AM
So yes and yes. It should be removed..and when my American kids can't say the American pledge but SG JOLLYS kids can because of our difference in religion, its discrimination and completely unfair.
Michael Cowan February 23, 2012 at 07:53 AM
SG Jolly, you having to pledge to one nation, under God may not bother you. But, as an Atheist, I think it's unnecessary. Would you want to pledge to one nation under Zeus? Or Ra? I'd think not. Oh, but you're free to not say it. The fact of the matter is, it doesn't belong. Once upon a time, we let our fear drive us and used a religion as our shield. Albeit, not one everyone shared. We are better then that. We need to be the country we were made to be.
Maddie Hedén February 23, 2012 at 03:00 PM
America is like any other western country a multicultural country with people of many different faiths. So this is not a fight between atheists and Christians, it's a fight between all people who don't believe in a god (Atheists, Buddhists, Jainists, animists, atheist Hindu's, Jews and Christians (yes they do exist) etc.) and Christians. You could also argue that you're not including Muslims in the pledge because they would want to say the Arabic word for god. Why would you want to exclude all of these people from being a part of your country? Are you really that egotistical?
Jeff Ehrhart February 23, 2012 at 05:54 PM
Which god are you pledging allegiance to anyway? Allah? Vishnu? Jesus? Since this was added by Christian fear-mongers, I would assume it is the Christian god, and if that's true, just think how many good Americans with different beliefs are excluded by this terrible addition to the pledge.
Jeff Ehrhart February 23, 2012 at 05:58 PM
It's funny how the Christians always cry about being persecuted when it seems they have no problem persecuting others; forcing their beliefs down our throats, knocking on our doors on Saturday, trying to take over government and make it into a theocracy and making a big show of their alleged "faith".
Jeff Ehrhart February 23, 2012 at 05:58 PM
Well-said! Thank you!
Jeff Ehrhart February 23, 2012 at 06:00 PM
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” - Epicurus
Jeff Ehrhart February 23, 2012 at 06:02 PM
Who is truly living? The ones who try to deal with reality on it's own terms, or the ones who have to rely on their magic sky-daddy to tell them what to do and how to act? If you have to get your morality from a book, you, are the one who is dead inside.
Jeff Ehrhart February 23, 2012 at 06:04 PM
You say you are losing your rights when in fact you are simply mad because you aren't getting your way. Sorry buddy, not everyone wants to live under your Christian Taliban.
Sherri Schuberth February 24, 2012 at 01:34 AM
Have any of you read the constitution of the United States? You would be surprised at the Bible passages. Everyone has a choice to believe in God. Even Satan Believes in Him. "Under God" should be kept, but the choice should not be forced. God is love.
Shawn S. February 24, 2012 at 04:22 AM
@Stephanie By that argument couldn't I support the original pledge (without 'under God'), and then tell you that you don't have to say it; you can just stand silently and be respectful? As for that matter, why couldn't it include any other religions then? Saying it keeps 'traditions' seems like a weak argument to me mostly because the tradition was secular and then changed from said tradition. I wouldn't be forcing you to say the pledge. It would just exist. Also, if you are worried from a religious stand point, taking out 'under God' does not support atheism or any other religious views you might not agree with (it would not specifically say, 'there is no God' for instance), in contrast removing under God would accomplish this symbolic religious equality.
Shawn S. February 24, 2012 at 04:26 AM
@Stephanie How does being a theist/atheist relate to humanity being able to succeed, or as you say, prosperous and moral? Also, won't success, prosperity and morality be relativistic to the individual?
Frank C February 24, 2012 at 04:37 AM
I wonder what the forefathers of this country would be thinking now. The pledge to a Christian god when the first four presidents of the US publicly denied the divinity of Jesus Christ.
freedom of religion February 24, 2012 at 11:31 PM
ZOMBIE Really that offends you, oh wait you are easily offended I forgot. Jehovah or Allah, God covers it all. The problem is people who have no religion trying to impose their unbelief on to believers. You are not the judge of my morality anyway, Jesus is and he will judge you too. IMHO
freedom of religion February 24, 2012 at 11:37 PM
Where is this documented Frank, that was left out of my history textbook? So, for over 200 years the war against Christianity has been raging in this country. I doubt this sort of thing was documented but just point me in the direction. I can think for myself.
Nanette November 30, 2012 at 10:46 PM
The Constitution does not contain the words Separation of Church and State. It says that government will not establish a national religion: IT SAYS: " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof... The point of such an amendment is twofold. First, it ensures that religious beliefs - private or organized - are removed from attempted government control. This is the reason why the government cannot tell either you or your church what to believe or to teach. Second, it ensures that the government does not get involved with enforcing, mandating, or promoting particular religious doctrines. This is what happens when the government "establishes" a church - and because doing so created so many problems in Europe, the authors of the Constitution wanted to try and prevent the same from happening here. "


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