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US Senate Debate: Warren Attacks Brown's Record, Brown Touts Bipartisanship

The two candidates for the U.S. Senate from Massachusetts faced off in their first live debate on Thursday night.

 

Stark differences came out early and often between U.S. Senate candidates Elizabeth Warren and Scott Brown in their first debate, with disagreements on everything from tax policy, to job creation to women's rights.  

Over and over during the Thursday debate on WBZ-TV, Warren chose to bring up Sen. Brown's voting record, and Brown chose to point out that Warren's plan would raise taxes on everyone and stifle job creation. 

"He has said he will defend the top 2 percent and the top 3 percent...and will hold the other 98 percent of families hostage," Warren said, referencing Brown's position against extending the Bush-era tax cuts unless it also contained cuts for the country's top earners. 

Brown countered by noting that Warren's policies would raise taxes on everyone, in fact, saying it's the "first thing she looks to do," he said. 

"And the criticism is that I don't want to raise taxes," he said. "Guilty as charged. I'm not going to raise taxes. I'm going to protect taxpayers' pocketbooks and wallets."

On the issue of jobs, Warren noted that Brown voted against three separate jobs bills during his tenure. But Brown fired back that she was "misrepresenting his record."

"That bill would have raised your taxes $450 billion, and it was a bipartisan rejection," he said. "They were rejected by both Democrats and Republicans for taking money out of hardworking businesses and giving it to the federal government."

Brown went on the offensive several times, referencing himself as the "second-most bi-partisan member of the senate."

"The only way we're going to get this done is to work together in a bipartisan manner," he said. "And only one of us in this room is going to get there."

But Warren said his voting record showed he aligned himself with the big corporations to protect loopholes for the wealthy.

"This is how Senator Brown has already voted," she said. "Senator Brown voted that tax payers would continue to subsidize them to the tune of billions of dollars a year, and I just think that's wrong. Billionaires are paying tax rates lower than their secretaries, and and he protects every one of those loopholes and would let taxes go up for our families."

The candidates also touched on other issues during the course of the debate, including women's health rights, the cost of higher education, Warren's heritage, authorization for military activity overseas and climate change.

You can watch the full debate online here

Who do you think won the debate? Which issues hit home the most? Which issues do you wish they addressed? Tell us in the comments. 

Related Topics: Brown Warren Debate, Elizabeth Warren, Scott Brown, US Senate Race, and WBZ debate

Mr. Ragman

9:53 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

Brown knocked it out of the park. Well done, appealing the rank and file. He is one of us; this carpetbagger from Oklahoma has nothing in common with anyone around here; Scott makes us all proud in DC and represents us well. He has earned and deserves your vote.

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Paul E. Keith

6:26 am on Friday, September 21, 2012

Careful. Brown is Mitt Romney 2.0 and, like Mitt, will mouth moderate words to moderate audiences as long as he needs to in order to win a Massachusetts election. Think he's looking at 2016 when, ala Mitt, the moderation will give way to the Right wing? I do.

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Amy

9:27 am on Friday, September 21, 2012

I agree, the election of Scott Brown gave me hope for the people of Massachusetts. Although, the stupid health care fraud was still shoved down America's throats.

Bear Cat

9:56 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

Debates are where you get to know the candidates, I wish Representative Ross would agree to more debates than only one with Paul Heroux.

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Kurt Buermann

10:23 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

Mr. Ragman,
Areyou paid by the word or sentence? Gimme a break!

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Mr. Ragman

6:56 am on Friday, September 21, 2012

Being able to succinctly communicate with as few words as possible is a trait that Senator Brown exudes - don't be jealous of one's use of language to make their point, it makes you seem pedantic.

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Avon Barksdale

7:37 am on Friday, September 21, 2012

Ragman, since I know how to read, let me interpret Sarek's comment for you: he wasn't criticizing your "use of the language," he was implying that you are a blogger paid by the Brown campaign to plant positive comments on websites. I will go one further and state that it would be even sadder if you're not being paid - that would indicate an indoctrinated mindset worthy of deprogramming.

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Mr. Ragman

2:58 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

Wishful thinking Avon - I'm neither indoctrinated in politics nor programmed by anything but my own experiences, a 47 year old US Army Veteran, married to the same woman for over 20 years and two grown children, making ends meet in this tough economic environment, yet somehow still employed, maybe despite not being programmed or indoctrinated. And I may be incorrect here, but implied stems from the spoken word and inferred from the written word, in other words, my friend, you have been served.

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Avon Barksdale

10:39 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

If I am correct, you need to win a dance-off to serve somebody.

Richard W. Lunt

11:01 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

Great job by our U.S Senator Scott Brown in his debate with Elizabeth Warren. His views and his actions in the Senate are reasons that he deserves to be re-elected. Senator Brown showed in his debate that he will continue to fight for business owners and workers alike by not voting to raise taxes and spend like a drunken sailor. He understands the need for real private sector job growth, not shovel ready construction jobs and government jobs. Elizabeth Warren showed me that she's a liberal left looney who will vote to raise taxes and vote for out of control spending, just like the rest liberal lefties in Washington.

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Daniel F. Devine

11:27 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012

We don't need another PHONEY in Washington, I'm voting for SCOTT BROWN.

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deb of see-attleboro

6:33 am on Friday, September 21, 2012

Sarek: Did you even watch the debate? Professor Warren appeared weak. Her biggest problem was she used all her "good stuff" in her attack ads. She brought nothing new. Critics knocked Brown's ads for being to syrupy. But he saved his "good stuff" for this debate when he could face Warren mano a mano. Good strategy, IMO.
I think this is the first debate. Maybe Warren will get it together for the next one. It is highly unlikely these debates will change peoples minds IMO, Brown did a far better job appealing to the undecided. Warren appealed to her base, who will vote for her no matter what. Not good, IMO.

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Amy

9:20 am on Friday, September 21, 2012

What befuddles me more than why people would actually vote for Pocahontas , is why the Liberal Democrats don't see that we have a severe spending problem opposed to a revenue problem. I did build what I have, and I would like the Gvm't to keep their grubby mits off my stuff unless they can be accountable for their wreckless spending. How much of every dollar I earn should I be allowed to keep?

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Jessica Porter

9:25 am on Friday, September 21, 2012

Is anyone else disappointed with the Patch's focus on politics and national/statewide issues rather than events and issues specific to our local communities? There are so many forums on line for people to vent (often rudely) about their favorite or least favorite candidate. I thought the purpose of the Patch was to help bring communities together with a focus on local issues.

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Amy

9:34 am on Friday, September 21, 2012

No I actually like this forum.

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Cooper Bella

10:42 am on Friday, September 21, 2012

Yes, Jessica. I am disappointed. I’d much prefer to read what is going on locally and then comment if I see fit.

I’m so tired of all the political mudslinging. Let’s face it, if you have already made up your mind, then nothing I say or anyone else says will change your decision. We will all see in our candidates what we want to see. We can all watch the exact same debate and hear the exact same words yet thing they mean something totally different from each other.

And if you are an undecided voter, good luck wading through all the murky waters. Do your own research. Check out each of the candidates on your own. Change the channel during commercials and don’t answer the phone. Do your research and you will make the correct decision. Well, it will be the correct decision as you see it, just like everyone else on this blog.

Please Patch; I don’t come to this site as much as I had in the past. I’m tired of reading this stuff. And it is taking up the entire site. In order to find anything else, I now have to dig for it.

I can’t wait until November 7th. No matter what happens. Because we are American citizens and we unite. We have to. To do otherwise will do more harm than good. But that will be on November 7th. Not today.

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Telling it like it is

12:02 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

This is a local issue. If Lieawatha is elected many of those small businesses in Dedham Square will be forced to close, due to the fake Indian's taxaholic policies.

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Emcee of Seekonk

12:43 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

Happy with the forum as it is, after all what goes on in Washington affects all of us as well as what goes on in the State Capitol. The local level is fine, but conversation about a landfill or a Selectman's meeting wears thin after a while.

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Mr. Ragman

3:01 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

What's more local than a guy from Wrentham as one of two Massachusetts Senators?

Stevo

9:51 am on Friday, September 21, 2012

Didn't Brown co sponsor a bill that gives employers and health insurer's the right to deny anything they deem "against their conscious"? That's a loophole big enough to drive a tank through. Very shady to me. Why didn't he brag about how big of a loop hole that is instead of boast about his truck and folding laundry?

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Amy

9:58 am on Friday, September 21, 2012

Didn't the Gvm't give passes to certain Gvm't officials who knew that the heathscare bill would hurt thier state? And to Unions, AARP etc.? No pases for Religious beliefs though, we still have to pay for Sandra Fluck's birth control. Your right, he should have bragged about that. He would be surging even more.

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Bill K.

1:12 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

Stevo isn't that loophole you speak about the same loophole that Warren used at Travelers Insurance as their corporate lawyer, to deny medical coverage to individuals that wbecame ill due to over exposure to asbestos? Hmmm, that loophole existed long before Brown was US Senator. Look at that bill, there were so many riders attached to the main bill, ie tax hikes, porkbarrel measures et al. That was the reason that Brown voted against the bill. If the bill stood on it's own and had no riders I'm sure that Brown would have voted in favor.

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Gretchen Robinson

3:57 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

deny healthcare, esp. access for women to reproductive healthcare. No woman who thinks that through will vote for Brown. Why should women accept second rate healthcare?

Janet Sroczynski

10:10 am on Friday, September 21, 2012

@Amy - your comments are so comical this morning. Didn't you know that Nancy Pelosi told you not to read the healthcare bill, "just pass it, and read what's in it later." Tell me, is that the advice they give new homeowners out in California too when they go to sign their mortgages, "just sign it, read what's in it later." No wonder California is having a difficult time, if that's the advice the left leaning democrats hand out. Watch the video clips online, it's all in there. The floor of the house too.

Did you notice that two of the democrats from Massachusetts ran off to get hip replacements, just prior to the healthcare bill/obamacare/obamatax/pelosi-tax. You can sure bet those two were reading the fine print of what was in the healthcare bill, but for the rest of you....(don't read it, just pass it).........oops-a-daisy....surprise, surprise.

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Terry J

1:13 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

Brown = $Banks$

Vote for him and you are really voting against reform of our stilted economic system that let's the wealthy get the most public welfare while pointing the finger at the poor.

Theres a reason he has gotten so much outside money. It smells.

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Richard W. Lunt

3:41 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

Terry J,
It's those 47 percent of welfare people that are getting all the money off of the backs of the hardworking American taxpayers. The 47 percenters can afford flat screen TV''s,new cars and free healthcare while they sit around drinking the Obama/Warren liberal kool aid. Scott Brown will bring real private sector job growth to Americans who want to work and have a career instead of drinking the kool aid.

Amy

1:24 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

Terry, have you ever been hired by a poor person? And what is wrong with working hard and making money? I'm sure Pocahontas has no funding outside of her reservation.

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Terry J

2:02 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

Your comments are part of the smokescreen. A healthy economy depends on people making a living wage. Even Henry Ford knew that. Calling Warren names does not lend any credibility to your position.

There is an intrinsic value to living in a functioning safe economy and currently the wealthy are not paying the fair cost for the support they receive to protect and provide the market their wealth depends on. Progressive taxation makes logical sense. It has been reversed since Reagan and needs to be re-vamped in a FAIR way.

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Gretchen Robinson

3:59 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

Richard: the 47% includes soldiers, disabled vets, those too poor to pay income tax, and elders. You need to read a newspaper sometime or watch something other than Faux Gnus.

Indiana

1:45 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

Gee what do you call the MSM???they have been in the tank for the Messiah since day one!

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Richard W. Lunt

5:46 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

Gretchen,

If the 47 percenters are too poor to pay income tax then why can they afford to buy flat screen TV's new cars, and go out to fancy resturaunts by using their EBT cards?

Gretchen Robinson

2:27 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

when you use name calling language like "Pocahontas" you are conceding that Scott Brown doesn't have any positive arguments on his side. You represent him poorly by degrading this discussion. Here and in the Sun Chronicle I've seen Elizabeth Warren called 'tin lizzie' and 'indian princess,' etc. You think you're so smart, I suppose, but it's racism, pure and simple. It's the same racism that Scott Brown used when he said, "look at her, she doesn't look indian." What ignorance!

Brown seems to know nothing about science -- and nothing about genetics and it's role in medicine and law in the 21st Century. That omission alone says he's not right for Massachusetts.

We in this state are proud of our medical, research, educational, and scientific institutions. We're proud to educate our children, if we can afford it. Massachusetts derives great monies from these facilities. If Brown can't understand a simple thing like how genetics work, that you don't always look like your ancestors, then he should go back to school and not tear down an educator.

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Mr. Ragman

3:05 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

you're quotes are incorrect, he never said, "look at her, she doesn't look indian". If you are going to try to use fact to support your fiction, at least get the quotes right.

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Richard W. Lunt

3:51 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

Gretchen,
If Professor Warren is Native American, why doesn't she show her birth records, and other family records? Sounds to me if she is pulling an Obama stunt, as you know, there were some serious questions about where our Muslim President was born. Professor Warren is not Native American.

Amy

2:31 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

Terry, EW is the one that called herself a Native American. I certainly didn't. Please define progressive taxation? I may be wrong becasue I'm not a progressive but that sounds like continued taxation until you have nothing left to give. I just don't understand what happend to taking personal responsibility and not expecting everyone else to pay your way. I understand people need help in the short term and I'm all for it. But to become the norm and not have any reason to get up and go to work is not living a productive life.

Gretchen: I know, we're all racists, homophobes bla bla.

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Terry J

3:40 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

Amy,
If it helps: Progressive Taxation is not a political point of view. It is the concept that those that reap more rewards from society and it's economy actually benefit a greater proportion from the overall society and therefore "owe" a greater proportion of their income to support it. The average worker does not get nearly as much benefit from the Securities and Exchange commission as your average mutual fund manager or other highly paid individual. There are countless other examples where the infrastructure and even the presence of an underemployed class serve to increase the investment returns of the wealthy. It makes sense. That's why the howling of the wealthy against slight increases in taxation is really greedy whining. Just think about the tax benefit a person with a million dollar mortgage gets compared to the average joe. Wake UP to have Fox News disease.

BTW I am self-employed, work hard for every dollar I make, pay my health care 100% and still support the need for fairer taxation. I don't fit your "expect everyone to pay your way" straw man.

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Gretchen Robinson

9:23 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

Richard Lunt, the birther stuff is absurd. Racist on the face of it.

Gretchen Robinson

2:40 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

I was also talking about ignorance....Scott Brown is ignorant, in the senses of that word: willfully refuses to learn what he needs to know in order to speak and represent his arguments well. He sees a white person and assumes she's lying. There are genetic explanations and he neglected to inform himself.

And he's ignorant in his snarky way of talking to and about her. There's a put down in everything he says about her. That is ignorant behavior. I expect better from a candidate than I've seen from Scott Brown. He's as hollow as Romney and Bielat.

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Mr. Ragman

3:06 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

you're just angry he is male, now who is 'racist'?

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yerkillinme

3:11 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

Gretchen, Warren claimed Native American heritage in order to further her career and own self interest. She has never been able to prove that heritage nor will she provide a believable explanation as to why she claimed that heritage in the first place. It's absolutely a valid point for Scott Brown to criticize as it gives insight as to her integrity and decision making. Your calling Scott Brown ignorant does not change that. She brought the issue on herself and desreves the criticism she receives as a result of it.

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deb of see-attleboro

3:56 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

I know someone who did exactly what Professor Warren did. It never worked for him. Maybe because he is a "him"..
Claiming minority status was/is not uncommon for someone looking for a cushy teaching position at colleges and universities. However, it is inexcusable.
As for Senator Brown being ignorant and inarticulate? You can't be serious. He gave a cogent argument as to why kids have to pay a fortune for an education. Warren's own tax return and status at Harvard are evidence.
You attack people who are materially wealthy for not paying more taxes. Why not attack the educated elite for keeping necessary tools out of the reach of the little people? Talk about a rigged game.

Gretchen Robinson

3:52 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

your opinion. But what you say is invalid. She did not benefit. Meanwhile Brown is NOT discussing his ties to the purified Republicans (moderates purged) and their extremist agenda for the nation. No birth control, no public education only private religious (Christian) schools, no medical care for the masses. Nothing but tax breaks for the bankers, CEOs, corporations, ones, to Koch brothers, Adelman, Murdoch, etc. etc. You're on the wrong side.

Furthermore your name "yerkillinme" displays a kind of victimhood. No one is killing you. Taxes aren't killing you. Taxes are the price we pay for this civilization, which is made less civil when adult human beings still name call in a forum like this. Please look in the mirror.

Mr. Ragman: I am married to the same man and are to celebrate our 48th anniversary. I raised a son with a wife and two children. Neither would make that charge, nor the thousands of people I ministered to when I was a chaplain for a hospice. How dare you!! You are as ignorant as Brown with his racist comments.

Romney doesn't know who he is. He only knows how to run for president. Now, when he's supposed to display his ability to lead, he's failing. There is no there there. Brown, too, spent his time in the senate running for re-election, raising money for other Republican and the party. He could have prepared himself for a career as a Senator and statesman, worthy of the title "senator." He didn't. Now he's running scared.

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Emcee of Seekonk

4:24 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

"No birth control, no public education only private religious (Christian) schools, no medical care for the masses. Nothing but tax breaks for the bankers, CEOs, corporations, ones, to Koch brothers, Adelman, Murdoch, etc. etc."

You're losing it again, Gretchen.

Incidentally, I've finally found out why a 63-year old woman would want to leave her cushy abode and her cushy job and her so-so husband to live the life of a senator... she will be running for POTUS in 2012. Heaven help us. Can the Democrats get any more foolish?

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yerkillinme

8:15 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

Gretchen, what does my name have to do with anything? Please try to stay on topic and do not attack or attempt to bully others for no reason other than you don't agree with them. Thank you ;)

Gretchen Robinson

4:10 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

I didn't see much in the way of critical thinking skills in Scott Brown's attacks. All the problems this nation faces and he starts the first debate attacking his opponent over something of no consequence. Look up Higher Order Thinking Skills.
Then look up Gov. Rick Perry. In TX, schools/teachers can't teach critical thinking skills. There's another gag rule. Keep 'em poor and poorly taught, and then you own them--guess that's the Republican way.

Well, that won't work in MA. We think before we open our mouths. Esp. in debates.

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Emcee of Seekonk

4:32 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

"Keep 'em poor and poorly taught, and then you own them..."

Keep them on welfare and you really own them. They will vote for you forever. Guess that's the Democratic way.

Gretchen Robinson

4:37 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

hey, even Romney's dad was on welfare.....
btw his mother was a skeptic and free thinker
she'd be rolling in her grave seeing Romney now--he's not even
practicing Mormon beliefs. She has to be baptized after
her death because she stoutly refused all her life.

Check the internet for a highly placed
Mormon who says Mormonism exists to care for the poor
until can stand on their own.

people want 'a hand helping them up--- not a 'hand-out

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Emcee of Seekonk

4:50 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

"he's not even practicing Mormon beliefs."

Hard to believe since he donates 10% of his income to the LDS. But if you think you can convince people that Mitt Romney is not a Mormon, then go for it. Pretty soon you'll be saying that the Pope is not Christian.

Gretchen Robinson

5:05 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

LOL. I will find the citation. No, the pope is Catholic. But many Catholics I've met who grew up in the 1930-50s often said, 'we're not Christian, we're Catholic' and tell me "We never read the Bible." I'm not trying to slam Christians, or Catholics, or Mormons for that matter. Only trying to highlight Mormon principle tenets, one of which, I believe, is charity for "the widow, the orphan, and the stranger."

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Emcee of Seekonk

5:22 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

Information taken from Romney's 2011 tax return shows that he gave $4 million to charity which is 30% of his income, 10% of which must have gone to the LDS. Who got the other 20%, I'm not sure but it's probably on line somewhere. The Romneys do give a lot to charity, after all they have a lot to give and a lot to be thankful for.

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deb of see-attleboro

5:33 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

For someone who is trying not to "slam Christians, or Catholics, or Mormons.." you certainly are doing a pretty good job, Gretchen. Got anything to say about the Muslims, Hindus. Jews etc?
I don't get it. You complain when people practice their faith. Then you complain when they don't live out their faith perfectly. Well guess what. Nobody's perfect.

Gretchen Robinson

5:14 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

here it is from Huffington Post. http://mormonsforobama.org/2012/09/20/dr-gregory-prince-mitt-romney-is-not-the-face-of-mormonism/
Also an interview with this man of sincere faith (IMO) on Lawrence O'Donnell's "Lean Forward" his "The Last Word" with a picture of Prince on the right hand side.
http://thelastword.msnbc.com/
By the way, if memory serves, O'Donnell is a practicing Catholic. I heard that when he spoke with a spokes-nun from the Nuns on a Bus tour.

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Gretchen Robinson

5:18 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

for everyone's information, there are evangelical conservatives who work against the Church of Greed and Selfish Interest. Jim Wallis is one of them. He has a magazine called Sojourners. (He spoke at my husband's graduation from Andover Newton). Wallis has all the conservative social positions but wants Christians to care for the poor and "the poor at heart." I offer this since former presidential candidate Rick Santorum, though Catholic, was often assumed to be an evangelical because of his rhetoric.
http://sojo.net/blogs/2012/09/19/ethical-opportunity-video

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Gretchen Robinson

5:58 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012

hi Deb. nobody's perfect. But for Romney to castigate the 4% is to go against the core tenet of his church. Look up Mormonism. Giving $$$ is fine. He has a lot to give. To whom much is given, much is expected. But which is his church and his faith, manmade political systems or God as he personally understands God. Every hear of the eye of the needle? Or social capital. People are our social capital and they are more important than any system, libertarianism, Republicanism, Democratic-ism. What are we here for? to serve, right? Jim Wallis gets that even though he's anti-abortion. I can make common cause with him. Gregory Prince sounded eminently reasonable. I'd like to sit down and talk to him. I bet he does a lot of interfaith work.

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Ken B.

12:26 am on Saturday, September 22, 2012

Well Gretchen, there's what, 6, 7 billion or so of what you call "social capital" on the planet.
How many are you willing to take care of ?

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Ken B.

12:28 am on Saturday, September 22, 2012

...with your own resources....not that of others.

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Gretchen Robinson

12:45 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012

Ken B. You are right about the catastrophic rise in overpopulation. But over-population, as they say, "is everyone's baby." We adopted our one son so we didn't add to the population.
Even in USA people can't get effective birth control (see Romney, Ryan, Santorum, the RC Bishops--all male you will note). Oh, and Scott Brown says he's prochoice--now. No guarantees whether he's lying through his teeth. In any case, I'll vote for Warren because I know she knows how hard it is for the working class. She knows 50% of pregnancies are unplanned for. She understands and caress about the middle class.

I have a life long concern with over-population. As for now, we have a choice: use our 'social capital' here in the US -- Or we have a permanent underclass (we do already) that feels itself to be hamstrung and held down. This is their reality.

Treat people like human beings, able to take responsibility for their lives (with a little help not a lot) and people thrive. That's democracy and I would say, Democratic. Hate the 47 (including our present soldiers who pay no income tax, immigrants, the elderly, the disabled, etc. etc.) and you get a Romney dystopia.

I see enormous potential and possibility for the future if we just stop giving into the worst parts of our human nature (me included--here, when I castigate others). Honor people's dignity and worth and they thrive. "We must love one another or die." poet W. A. Auden.

deb of see-attleboro

7:07 am on Saturday, September 22, 2012

Gretchen: I wish you would stop using religion, any religion, to forward your agenda. I am beginning to be embarrassed for you.

I had not heard the term "social capital". So I googled it. Do I feel any more enlightened? No. However, I have heard of the concept of "human capital". As human capital, "we the people" are not valued. We are only valued in as much as we benefit the political class, which includes academia.

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Bob Ross

7:51 am on Saturday, September 22, 2012

I voted for Scott Brown two years ago, fell for the "barn coat-pickup truck driving everyday man" image like the rest of us. Sadly, he became one of "them" and now has become a candidate for pandering. He wants votes in the north shore so he tells them he wants to deregulate commercial fishing, in a zone where 13 out of 29 species have now been placed on the endangered list. He goes around to small business warning them about added taxes and how they would have to leave the state to save their jobs. But does not mention that the taxes are a federal tax, and they would have to pay them anywhere they go. His "bi-partisanship" in his first year resulted in voting for a democratic sponsored bill 2 times out of 16. And this year where "I can reach across the isle" became the buzz phrase he voted with Dem's 13 times out of 54(as of a month ago). His "I wrote a bill to stop insider trading" is only a partial truth, he did, but the one that got passed was by another senator that yes, did include some ideas from Browns bill.
I do not know enough about Warren, mostly because I am so caught up in the Stoughton Patch, but the fact that she has created the consumer protection agency tends to show me her heart is in the right place where a senators should be, looking out for us. Not only is the playing field not level, but it makes me nervous that the millionaires in congress get to write the laws that protect them, and not us.

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deb of see-attleboro

8:25 am on Saturday, September 22, 2012

Bob: Speak for yourself. I did not vote for Scott Brown because he was "barn coat-pickup driving everyday man". So I am not like you.
He served in Wrentham. He served on Beacon Hill. He serves in the military and he now serves in the Senate. He has a record. Like it or not, he earned it. Did she?

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DJ

12:18 am on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

You mean he is a hack/professional politician?

Tony

11:29 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012

I love the way republicans serve in the military. George Bush relaxing in Texas National guard during Vietnam; Cheney and his multiple deferments, Romney in Paris during Vietnam and Scott Brown , who has been in the National Guard for more than thirty years conveniently missing the Iraq war and the longest war in history in Afghanistan. Yet, the Republicans are concerned about Warren possibly taking a position from a minority. How many young Americans have been maimed or have died in the place of these privileged few?

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Emcee of Seekonk

12:05 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

You forgot to mention Bill Clinton and Barack Obama who didn't even have the guts to join the National Guard. How many young Americans have been maimed or have died in the place of these privileged two?

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SJP

12:07 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

Dude, Bush senior was the youngest pilot in the Navy in WW2, Bush 2nd was an F-4 Phantom pilot, Reagan was in, Romney, Brown, all were in. Cheney has had about 14 heart attacks, not a great canidate at any time.
Your hero Clinton hated the military and was a draft dodger, mental case Gore was a reporter, and B. Hussein Obama, was snorting lines and smoking dope, this was before becoming the least qualified Pres in American history. But I don't have to tell that, he's done such a bang up job of trying to bankrupt my country.

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Gretchen Robinson

2:01 am on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Bush II was in the National Guard, when they could find him. He spent the time drunk or worse, awol. That is fact. Your tirade against Democrats is vacuous. Where's your proof that Obama did cocaine. If not, shut up.

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Daniel F. Devine

10:14 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

GRETCHEN R., You asked for proof that OBAMA did cocaine. Check out OBAMAS first book "DREAMS FROM MY FATHER", where he (OBAMA) told of HIS drug use. "POT HAD HELPED & BOOZE, MABE A LITTLE B L O W (COCAINE) WHEN YOU COULD AFFORD IT" wrote OBAMA. Do I need to shut up too? You CAN fool some of the people all of the time, & apparently your one of the many who have been fooled by this P H O N E Y thats destroying OUR country.

Janet Sroczynski

12:16 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

Bankruptcy Law is also taught at Harvard University, small world.

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Emcee of Seekonk

12:35 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

Taught by Elizabeth Warren. Isn't that the course she teaches for $300,000 a year?

She is soo atuned to the plight of the ordinary student. I wonder if she realizes how foolish she sounds?

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Amy

9:30 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

Pocahontas surrounds herself with like minded people. Has no clue what it's like to work for a living. Her ads say she fights banks and businesses. (I don't know why she has a need to fight with them), anyway, you can see how this will create jobs? The only big business she seems to like is Planned Parenthood.

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Gretchen Robinson

10:19 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

Brown's latest tv attack on Warren about her race is going to backfire. That's all he has on her?? What happened to talking about the issues?

A poll in May said 69% of Mass. voters said this issue would have no bearing on their vote. So why is he making this the center point of his campaign? Because he has nothing else! And his "snarky" attitude doesn't help. "Professor" he calls her as if to be an educated person is bad. In Massachusetts we have respect for education. Our many colleges and universities not only educate, they also add more wealth to the Commonwealth. .

Brown opens the debate by turning to the audience, pointing to Warren as some quintessential White woman, and insists she doesn't look like a Native American. His words, "as you can see she's not" and then a moment later "it's clear she's not (Native American)."

So....Brown can tell a person's race by looking at them?? Race is a social construct, folks. People come in all races and colors. And the color of Warren's r skin says nothing about her racial heritage. But Brown is super eager to act as judge and jury of her racial category.

This at a time when the racially motivated birther crazies are still convinced Obama is not American!! And the racially motivated voter suppression efforts of Republicans are moving forward in swing states.

Race baiting is a losing strategy, for Romney, Republicans, and Brown. Mark my words.

paul

10:25 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

Shame on all you ladies that don't vote for Liz. Is Scott Brown really that cute? You girls are the same complainers that will cry, 'not enough women in politics'.

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Emcee of Seekonk

12:04 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

The difference between Warren and Brown is that Scott Brown appears more genuine. I believe he will represent Massachusetts in the Senate, whereas Warren is a newcomer to the state with an agenda, the agenda being to run for president in 2016. Google Elizabeth Warren and it all becomes clear. Up until 1995 she was a Republican. Suddenly she moves to Massachusetts and becomes a Democrat. Why? Because she knows she has the best chance at becoming a Senator in the bluest of blue states. If elected, she will immediately start campaigning for president. At 63 years old, it has to be 2016 or forget it. Who needs another Senator like that in congress?

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deb of see-attleboro

1:47 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

I don't complain "not enough women in politics" Would I like to see qualified, libertarian-minded women in politics given a fair shake? Absolutely. But libertarian-minded men aren't even taken seriously. So Scott Brown will have to do....for now.

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Frank DelVecchio

2:53 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

Now I’m really impressed! Not only is Elizabeth Warren at the top of her profession at the nation’s most prestigious law school; not only is she a national expert in bankruptcy law and a leader in consumer protection; now I Iearn from Emcee that she had the foresight to join the Harvard faculty in the mid-nineties so she could run for the Senate in 2012...

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Gretchen Robinson

10:20 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

since when are you an expert in women?
since when do you have the right to judge how women vote?
keep your "Shame" for yourself and don't dump it on women.

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Jerry Chase

11:38 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Shame on you, "Paul", for talking down to women. They have brains just as good as yours . . . some of them even better, considering your claptrap.

Emcee of Seekonk

3:30 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

@Frank... The reason I ever went googling was because I wondered why a 63-year old woman with a prestigious job, all the money she could ever need (certainly more than most residents of Massachusetts), a decent family life with a husband and grown children would want to become a Senator. And lo and behold, there it was: Elizabeth Warren for president in 2016.

Around 1995, she took a job in Massachusetts and changed her party affiliation. That's okay, people do that, she might have wanted to fit in with the crowd. Running for Senator probably didn't occur to her until after Martha Coakley lost the bid.

Bottom line of all this is that a person with an eye on the presidency might not make a dedicated Senator. It's a little reminiscent of what Obama did... Senator, vote 'present' here and there, run for president, get the job, and depending on where you stand, make a mess of the job.

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Frank DelVecchio

4:15 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

Sorry, when you said that “suddenly she moves to Massachusetts and becomes a Democrat. Why? Because she knew she has the best chance at becoming a Senator...” I thought you meant that (in your opinion) she suddenly moved to Massachusetts and became a Democrat because she knew she had the best chance at becoming a Senator...
Sorry for the misinterpretation....
That’s a big problem with conservatives these days...you might have a valid point, but there always has to be a conspiracy angle to it.
Here’s what worries me. Even if you think Scott Brown is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly and genuine, his re-election is one step towards making Mitch McConnell as Majority leader. What does Brown do with all his “bipartisanship” then??? He won’t have any chance to be moderate even if he wants to be!

Andrew

3:49 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

Typical Dem. that will lie and say anything to get elected.
Lieawatha rails against Brown for his supposed support of tax breaks for the oil Industry. (Tax breaks that by the way are given to many differant company's) Yet Lieawatha is employed by an institution, Harvard, that pays no taxes. Their endowment is currently valued at over 32 billion dollars. Where's the difference?
Lizzy seems so concerned about the cost of higher education, almost coming to fake tears when thinking about how students are getting hammered with high tuition. Yet she has no problem taking $360,000+ to teach one coarse. She is directly contributating to the problem she's so against.
The fake Indian lies on her resume. Takes a job away from a minority. Stops checking the Native American box when she gets tenure. Becomes the very first woman of color at Harvard???? I guess white is a color!

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Frank DelVecchio

4:36 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

I thought all you conservatives believed in meritocracy and the free market? Here’s arguably the top bankruptcy expert in the nation, teaching at the nation’s premier law school, at perhaps 20% (?) of what she could easily earn as a practicing attorney in her field of expertise. A top scholar. An award-winning teacher. And suddenly that’s a bad thing.

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Andrew

5:28 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

Frank, attorney's are a dime a dozen. They have so oversaturated the marketplace, that they will be the next segment of the population lining up for their EBT cards. Plus if Chief Lieawatha wasn't at Harvard, where would she get that zero interest loan the school gave her? Wonder how much that cost the next incoming student?

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Frank DelVecchio

6:45 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

Andrew, even if “attorney’s (sic) are a dime a dozen”, that sentiment does not apply to Prof. Warren’s situation - your subtle sarcasm notwithstanding. As Mitt Romney would query, what do you have against success? That’s the issue here - not the extraneous “points” you bring up.

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Telling it like it is

9:31 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

Frank, I see your point. Tomorrow is a different day. Before I pull my absentee ballot for Squaw Lizzy, I'm going to apply for my EBT card, Mass Health, SSDI, SSI, WIC, free phone, section 8 housing, free car, The Ride, and anything else those dumb people that work will give me for FREE!!!!

Emcee of Seekonk

4:53 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

@Frank... "...his re-election is one step towards making Mitch McConnell as Majority leader."

To me, that's an odd argument. In my eyes, McConnell is no worse than Reid. The thing is the Democrats want to control it all, kind of like Massachusetts where Democrats set the agenda. The first two years of Obama's administration saw full Democratic control with Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi spending money like only liberals can.

Actually, I'd kind of welcome Mitch McConnell as would all the other Republicans and scores of Independents.

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Frank DelVecchio

5:27 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

@Emcee, your response is coherent and consistent with your prior posts. Thanks for that. However, Scott Brown’s position seems to be that we should vote for him because he is moderate and has a willingness to be bipartisan. He won’t have any opportunity to express those traits with a Republican Senate - unless he plans to buck his party when it really counts. I’m sorry, I don’t count voting for things you should vote for, e.g. legislation to address violence against women, as counting towards “bipartisanship”.
Anway, I think you’re on more solid ground with this line of argument than with the Warren for President 22-year gestation conspiracy theory...

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Emcee of Seekonk

5:46 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

@Andrew... It appears that Warren is not licensed to practice law in Massachusetts, even though she has.

"According to Professor Jacobson, Elizabeth Warren engaged in the practice of law while in Massachusetts, primarily through the writing and filing of briefs, even though she lacked a Massachusetts law license. One of her most notable cases involved representing The Travelers Insurance Company in asbestos-related litigation, for which she was paid $212,000."

Professor Jacobson is "a clinical professor of law and director of the Securities Law Clinic at Cornell Law School".

We'll see how she squirms out of this one.

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Wendy Wagner

7:12 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

Apparently, this is a bogus accusation. http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/blog/2012/09/no-elizabeth-warren-did-not-engage-in-the-unauthorized-practice-of-law/
"But most importantly, Professor Jacobson ignores Massachusetts Rule of Professional Conduct 5.5(d), which states that:

“A lawyer admitted in another United States jurisdiction, and not disbarred or suspended from practice in any jurisdiction, may provide legal services in this jurisdiction that…are services that the lawyer is authorized to provide by federal law or other law of this jurisdiction.”"

Unsurprisingly, Prof. Jacobson's field of expertise is investor protection and securities law, which puts him in service to the Mitt Romneys of the world.

Telling it like it is

9:17 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

And the fake Indian doesn't have to pay the fee for a lawyers licenses. Another way the 1% are screwing us all.

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Gretchen Robinson

9:22 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

hate! hate!
every time people dismiss Elizabeth Warren, they make Brown look worse.
you folks wouldn't know a fact if it bit you. Time for reason and critical thinking.
Not Faux Gnus, Tea Party propaganda. Think it through, will you. You are
being jerked around by the Right.

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Telling it like it is

9:36 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

Give me a fact from this fraud. That will be tough. Her career is a LIE.

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Emcee of Seekonk

7:44 am on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

I'm guessing you want us all to go to HuffPost for our news.

Warren is easily dismissable. She wants to be president in 2012. This Senate seat is a stepping stone for her. She is a voting mechanism for the Democrats who are quite afraid to lose the Senate, otherwise I doubt they would give her the time of day.

I don't hate her, but I certainly won't vote for her.

DJ

12:26 am on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Interesting that Warren's three brothers grew up with the same knowledge and belief as she did, that they had indian in their ancestry. Their first cousins also hear these stories. Not a single individual could corroborate Brown's accusations, not even his wife. Many of his claims were even denied by family members who took him in and lived with him. He may "appear" more genuine as one poster noted, but his stories and claims are far more ridiculous then Warren's having an undocumented indian relative from Oklahoma indian territory.

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Emcee of Seekonk

7:51 am on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Warren has an agenda beyond the Senate. Wealthy, well-positioned 63-year old women generally don't see being a Senator a step up in life.

Apparently it never occurred to any of the Herrings to pursue a genealogical study to affirm the Native American heritage. They preferred to not shake the tree. Makes me wonder about all of them.

Amy

9:29 am on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Gretchen, to comment on a former post. The main reason I'm not voting for Pocahontas was her ad saying no one got rich on thier own because we drive on roads that taxpayers paid for, or something. That may be true for her and her Harvard cronies. Not in the real world where people work hard and are proud of thier accomplishments.

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Avon Barksdale

11:43 am on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Great to hear that you were able to achieve everything in life while walking to work on unpaved trails. And that nobody ever employed or mentored you. And that you accomplished all of this without the protections of society like police or fire or the armed forces. I'm always amazed at people who succeed even though they were born in a Ugandan cave, keep up the good work.

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Gretchen Robinson

1:41 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

open your eyes. We wouldn't have the interstate highway system without the foresight of President Dwight D. Eisenhower who saw the need just after WWII and invested heavily in our nation's infrastructure. That grew our nation in the 50s and made us innovative and competitive in the world. US subsidies to the auto industry, oil and gas companies continue to this day. We wouldn't have the electrical grid that powers our homes and business, the healthcare that keeps us healthy. All subsidized by the federal government. It's the social contract that keeps American business competitive. Only now the electrical grid is failing leading to lost productivities in factories and businesses that now, more than ever, needs a constant, uninterrupted source of power.
The views here are so often narrow to the extreme revealing a shallow grasp of the facts. They are out there for all to learn but not when one's negativity, ideology, and ignorance keep one blind to reality.

Janet Sroczynski

9:36 am on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

@Emcee of Seekonk - so many good points you have brought up here, too many to list. Yes, the continued agenda from the democrats, and it's never been more obvious. Just walk the halls of Harvard University, the trail of bread crumbs is there for everyone to see. Thanks for bringing up so many of your points above.

A suggestion, look beyond the vote in the election for 2012, beyond even 2016, and then past 2020. Catch a glimpse of the recently held RNC with Mia Love and Marco Rubio.

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Amy

11:53 am on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Avon-I paid for it. Again I'll ask the question. What percentage of my pay can I keep? No one seems to be able to answer that.

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Avon Barksdale

12:23 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

You paid for all those roads you took to school as a child? And the school? All by yourself? You are truly awesome and your story needs to be told on the Lifetime Movie Network.

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Gretchen Robinson

1:45 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

All of it.
Just take up legal residency in some Caribbean Island and send your money there....
That works for Romney. Who knows where is legal residence is these days. Who knows what's in his hidden tax returns. (The one he just released was the most doctored tax return in history!) Who knows how many billions he has ferreted away in off-shore accounts.

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Sean

4:50 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Amy - You probably keep less than Romney.

Gretchen Robinson

1:43 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Marco Rubio= Theocracy. He could scarcely utter a sentence without invoking God. The public doesn't want an Evangelist in Chief. And polls are showing voters saying there's too much talk of religion in politics.

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deb of see-attleboro

2:51 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Gretchen: You are TOO funny. If you do not like all the talk about religion in politics, why do you keep bringing it up?.

I went through this entire thread, and you seem to be the biggest offender. This post is a perfect example. You are a great soldier for the Atheist/Hollywood left.

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Avon Barksdale

3:27 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

I like when the term atheist is used as a slur, as people who have taken a measured, critical approach to spirituality and chosen not to believe in an ethereal creator are clearly a stain on humanity and we need to cleanse this earth of such vermin.

Amy

2:57 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

It amazes me to find an intelligent person who fights against something which he does not at all believe exists. --Mohandas Gandhi

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Avon Barksdale

3:28 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

The world is made for those not cursed with self-awareness. -- A. Savoy

Emcee of Seekonk

3:10 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

@Gretchen: Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? Certainly not you.

Marco Rubio a theocracy? Just because he's Spanish? That's a leap.

And I'm guessing that Romney's legal address is where he votes. In Massachusetts. That was an easy one.

Romney's hidden tax returns are property of the US Government, IRS department. If those guys are happy with them, who are we to question it. Romney is a wealthy man... Warren is a wealthy woman... Kennedy is a wealthy scion. Biden is a millionaire ten times over. So what's your problem with wealth. Democrats are well represented in the 1%.

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Gretchen Robinson

3:49 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

no, it's Republicans. They have been co-opted by the religious Right, or is it the Right has coopted the ultraconservatives who run the party. I'm not saying Republicans are all bad or wrong just "Blinded by The Right." David Brock the author of that book woke up and saw what was happening to the nation he and I love.

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Emcee of Seekonk

4:06 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

oh?? Let me take a guess, David Brock is a Democrat or he writes for the HuffPost.

Gretchen Robinson

4:20 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

EmCee and the rest of the haters here.
Do the words "a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty" sound familiar. Brock wrote them as a high-up Republican operative. He participated in putting out many a smear against Democrats. He wrote a nasty book castigating Anita Hill defaming her in the 1990s and defending clown Clarence Thomas.
Then he grew disgusted with Republican tactics and went toward the party of light and reason (LOL). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brock

So when you rebarbative types are railing against Elizabeth Warren with your sexist and racist smears, remember those names and the misogyny and racism and hatred and fear behind are ancient and have been used for hundreds of years.
They come readily to mind when someone's hatred of an opposing candidate rises too high. It's vile to call Elizabeth Warren names like some of you have put into print here. Ah but it says in the bible 'by their fruit ye shall know them.' Just so.

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Avon Barksdale

4:34 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

I do wonder which funny names (you know, like "Liawatha") they would have come up with for a candidate who claimed African-American heritage, I'm sure those would have been an absolute HOOT.

This is also the point in debate where we hear just how aggrieved white people are, you know, with political correctness run amok, quotas at colleges and affirmative action everywhere limiting the ability of the white race to continue its unabated 250+ year winning streak of dominance in America.

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Amy

4:38 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Gretchen, I don't think anyone here hates anyone. Including you. We have vast differences of opionion and we're all entitled to that.

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Emcee of Seekonk

4:39 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Calm down, Gretchen. Everything can't be your way... people have different opinions.

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Avon Barksdale

4:45 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Oops, sorry, didn't see the predictable "calm down" coming. That should have been an easy one. I forget sometimes how rudimentary the rhetorical device slinging gets here among the Patchies.

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deb of see-attleboro

4:49 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

I think it is time to stand down folks.

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Avon Barksdale

4:51 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Whoa, whoa deb, CALM DOWN.

(see how dumb that play is? yeah)

Amy

4:45 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Avon, does it matter to you what heritage someone lies about? why would it be different if they were Black American?

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Avon Barksdale

4:47 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Not amazing that you missed the point entirely (or deliberately deflected). Please excuse me while I don't answer your entirely silly question that has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

Amy

4:48 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Sorry Avon , you're correct. I don't always know what your talking about. Anyway. It has been a pleasure talking to all. Have a wonderful evening.

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Avon Barksdale

4:54 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

I'll try to frame things in ways you both can more easily comprehend: LIBURLZ R DUMB AN THEY LIKE IMMIGRANTZ AND WANT EVRYTHING FREE VOTE ROMNEE HEE WILL PROTECT OWR LIBERTEEZ GO TOBY KEITH

Better?

Gretchen Robinson

4:54 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

some of the posters used hate speech against Elizabeth Warren. Those who do --demean the whole election process. They take what might otherwise be a fair minded discussion to ever lower lows.

Funny how Scott Brown is trying to convince voters that Elizabeth Warren is not Native American! And that she got advancement because she 'checked the box.'
Well she is 1/16 Native American. And No, there's no proof that she got ahead by saying so.

Meanwhile you folks here, some of you, are doing the opposite: trying to convince yourselves and each other that she IS Native American complete with hoary old hate speech going back to when the Whites committed genocide, persecuted, and stole Native American lands. (That's not victimhood, that's factual history).

I wish you folks would get your stories straight...

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Sean

5:01 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

My heritage includes some Native American heritage. My grandmonther was full blooded Senca. That would make me about 1/4 Senca. I find it ignorant of Scott Brown to stand up in a debate and say "and, um, you know cleary she's not." when referring to Mrs. Warren's heritage and weather or not she "looks" Native American. I give him the benfit of the doubt by saying "ignorant" because otherwise it would be flat out racism.

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Avon Barksdale

5:04 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

I'm sorry Sean, but the commenters here want to see your notariazed papers confirming your heritage. Otherwise they will make up an offensive name based on your background and laugh uproariously while they insult you for trying to get ahead on Patch through affirmative action.

Gretchen Robinson

5:12 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Sean, did you get ahead for your Native American heritage? I bet not. Most people are proud of their heritage. I think Scott Brown is following the republican playbook which says attack, attack, attack!!

Never mind the issues voters want to hear about from the candidates' mouths. Why else did he lead off the first debate with this non-issue? Why else did he follow up with a TV ad? It's all he/the Republicans know how to do these days. Say whatever it takes to win an election. Romney/Ryan/Brown/Bielat. Tweedle-dum and Tweedle-dee--times two!!

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Sean

6:04 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

You can look at it another way. If the box said "Italian" instead of "Native American" and you were 1/4 Italian, do you check the box? By not cheking the box are you misrepresenting your heritage. If you are part Hispanic I believe you would check the box. What is the right answer here? I have always been conflicted when this was asked on the application.

Jane Street

5:21 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Avon and Gretchen: You are fighting the good fight. I'm not sure it is worth it, but I wanted to let you know that at least some of us are silently cheering you on....

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Avon Barksdale

9:38 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

I appreciate any and all compliments. I do want to clarify that I am attacking a demonstrated lack of logic rather than a particular political philosophy. And while I am openly unapologetic about my civil libertarian sensibilities, I am happy to smash hypocrisy, inconsistency and intolerance of all political stripes. Like if someone attacked Romney simply for identifying as a Mormon, that would be worthy of a good slaparound.

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Gretchen Robinson

9:42 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

thanks Jane. It is a waste of time and energy. But the lies and distortions are too egregious to let them stand un-challenged. Ultimately, they are blind, ignorant, or living with such chronic discontent that they hate themselves.
By the way folks, check the Boston news with 5 Brown staffers!! (we pay their taxes) doing a war whoop or chant and the Tomahawk Chop. I keep saying this is about racism, sexism, and hate. Watch the tape and see if you are not offended. It's sick.
If they were blowing a shofar and lying about Jews, we'd be outraged. Well, I'm outraged. I think Scott Brown has blown it. It didn't have to be that way. He could have run a class act of a campaign, but no, he hired a bunch of arrogant meat heads and goaded even more meatheads to get into dirty politics. Shame on Scott Brown.

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deb of see-attleboro

8:41 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Avon: You attacked me for using atheist inappropriately, "as a slur". Yet I have not seen you go after others, such as Gretchen, who pound away almost daily on the "religious" right. Isn't she equally deserving of your "smashing"? Or have you missed it?

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Avon Barksdale

8:53 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

deb, I'm sorry that you consider yourself inadequate to defend against religious-based attacks. I would help you out, but you know the proverb "feed a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime." Perhaps instead of relying on others to fight for you, you should pull yourself up by your bootstraps and learn to do it yourself. That seems more American to me.

Richard W. Lunt

10:59 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Gretchen,
Elizabeth Warren's heritage is an issue, if she claimed to be Native American just to get into Harvard and the proof is she is not Native American, she is white. This becomes a character issue, not a heritage issue. Elizabeth Warren lied about being Native American, just to get scholarships to Harvard and get ahead, I have a problem with that. Just like Obama, he has lied about not being muslim and there are also questions as to where President Obama was actually born. Elizabeth Warren can't be trusted just like our President. Scott Brown is a man who can be trusted.

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Gretchen Robinson

3:00 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

if you knew anything at all, you'd know that Elizabeth Warren did not get her undergraduate at Harvard. Everything she did was on her own. No invisible hand, like George Bush II had when he went AWOL from the National Guard.

If you really think Obama is a Muslim, then I have nothing more to say to you.

Frank DelVecchio

11:16 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Mr. Lunt, Elizabeth Warren teaches at Harvard - she never went to Harvard. No one has claimed she used Native American status to get into Harvard BECAUSE SHE NEVER WENT THERE!!!! But why bother to support your opinions with facts?

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Richard W. Lunt

12:02 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Frank,
My aploogies Elizabeth Warren attanded college at the University of Houston, and then at Rutgers, before going to law school. However, she claimed Native American status to get into college, and also to advance her teaching career at Harvard. By the way Professor Warren maybe a lawyer; however, she is not licensed to practice law in Massachusetts, even though she has, sounds like a trust and character issue to me. Elizabeth Warren is a liberal wacko who can't be trusted. Scott Brown is a man who has the trust and re-electing him to the senate will be good for Massachusetts, and the Country.

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Avon Barksdale

5:40 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Mr. Lunt is not licensed to be an online nutcase in Massachusetts, yet he continues to practice as such. Talk about your trust issues.

Sinclair

11:20 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012

It's quite common to meet caucasion people in Oklahoma and Texas who proudly mention their Native American roots regardless of how fractional it might be. They are also quick to say that not long ago one would not mention this because of prevailing prejudice. Although not as common here in New England, I've met many who have proudly claimed to have "Indian" roots.

Defense contractors, academia and government agencies are always under pressure to increase divirsity by complying with Afirmative Action programs. The pressure comes from the threat of withholding funds (research, contracts, etc.). I've known of employees who have volunteered personal minority information after they were hired. And I've also known employers who have taken the liberty to claim minority status of employees who they know to be a member of a minority group. Hispanic is one which is not always identified by physical characteristics or skin color.

I believe Elizabeth Warren's claim was perfectly innocent and was based on ethnic pride within her family's history. Meanwhile, the human resources person at Harvard needed it f his EEO scorecard. Funny thing, it happened within the epicenter of ethnic pride and ethnic chauvanism; New England where people are Irish, Italian, Scottish, etc., but not American.

Heres a shocker to think about. Colin Powell is not condidered a minority person according to EEO and Affirmative Action rules. He's not African American. His family came from Jamaica.

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deb of see-attleboro

9:31 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Avon: Good dodge.
OK. I get it. Gretchen injects religion as a "slur", I'm on my own. I inject atheism as a "slur", you see red meat.

Since you are so "happy to smash hypocrisy, inconsistency, and intolerance", you should have a great day. Just find a mirror.

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Avon Barksdale

9:37 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

The person you should be wishing "have a great day" to is Frank Lunt, he makes you look almost sane by comparison.

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Avon Barksdale

9:38 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Sorry, Richard Lunt. Wrong Lunt Brother.

Amy

9:41 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

I wish everyone a great day. Even you Avon. God Bless.

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Richard W. Lunt

9:42 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Avon Barksdale,

Here is part of a story that I found on FOX News that supports my theory that Elizabeth Warren is not licensed to practice law in Massachusetts.

(Sen. Brown rips Elizabeth Warren over Native...
Elizabeth Warren practice law without a license in... In the latest charge to roil the tense Massachusetts Senate race, Democratic candidate Elizabeth Warren was accused this week of potentially practicing law in Massachusetts without a license.
Cornell law professor and legal blogger William Jacobsen made the claim on his Legal Insurrection website. He said Warren's legal practice is listed as the Bay State but no records show her having a license to practice law there.
Jacobsen says he found no law license under Warren’s last name or her maiden name, Herring, during an exhaustive search of state records. Jacobsen said he also confirmed with a clerk at the Massachusetts Board of Bar Overseers that Warren has never applied for a license. Even so, it remains unclear whether Warren has violated any laws. The Warren campaign had not responded to requests to verify whether the candidate has a license in Massachusetts or elsewhere.)

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Avon Barksdale

10:43 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

WHOA THAT'S A BOMBSHELL. Right up there with Watergate, I'm sure this is what will sink her candidacy. Richard, please focus solely on this right up until election day, we need soldiers like you to hammer away at important issues like this to safeguard our liberties in this great nation.

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deb of see-attleboro

10:51 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

I think Warren was married at least one other time. Is it possible she has another name her law license could be filed under?

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Avon Barksdale

11:00 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Perhaps she used the name she had when she was in the Klan. Richard, please investigate.

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Gretchen Robinson

3:08 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

funny how candidate Brown is trying to assert that Elizabeth Warren is NOT Native American, even running ads to that effect. Yet here, his supporters are certain she is Native American!
You continue to the point of childishly calling her names that would be out of place in any elementary school yard these days. It would be called harassment and bullying to call a girl a "Squaw." But then, bullying is all some of you know how to do. Romney does it. Ryan does it. Brown does it: (Little slap on the wrist of the cowboys who did the Tomahawk Chop and war whoops. 'Oh, that was naughty of you'. Meanwhile Brown is whooping it up at the spectacle).

As you sow so do you reap.
How's that working for you??

Fiscal Conservative

11:18 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

I'm a full blooded Hekawi, Chief Wild Eagle was my Great Great Grandfather. I still live by the famous saying that he made, "See squirrel in tree, find happy moose". If more people lived by that saying, this country wouldn't be in the mess it is, and, honest people would be running for office.

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Janet Sroczynski

11:23 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

WRKO regarding Elizabeth Warren - does she or does she not have a law license? Let's listen in with the link provided:

http://audio.WRKO.com/a/63759190/michael-patrick-leahy-on-granny-warren-s-little-law-license-problem-htm

Howie Karr show with Michael Patrick Leahy interview with Michelle. Listen to the part about "if Harvard University accepted $$$'s, then possible fraud" exists, due to a violation of Mass.Law. Then listen to the part regarding the welfare office.

Check with the Massachusetts Board of Bar Overseers.

Harvard University offers Tuition Remission and Tuition Reimbursement, so Elizabeth Warren has no excuse there either.

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Avon Barksdale

11:24 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

It's great to see such a healthy, reasoned debate on the issues facing Massachusetts and America.

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deb of see-attleboro

2:22 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Pssst.....Avon. Jump ahead. Gretchen's back. Her 1:29pm comment could use one of your "zingers" In fact, this one is perfect. Go get her!!!

RuKiddingMe

11:28 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

I guess if you vote for a guy just because he looks good in a magazine , my theory is , I'm voting for Miss Janauary 2010.

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Briana Auclair

11:31 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Wow. That's a lot of hostility, even for me.

Anyone feel like no matter who they vote for, we lose? I feel like either one we get, we got ourselves a liar. :(

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Sinclair

11:32 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Michael Fredrickson, general counsel for the BBO (Board of Bar Overseers), says he does not believe a law professor would be considered to have "a continuous presence" or "an office practicing law."

"If they actually practice here - as some part-time law professors at some of the smaller schools do - they might," Fredrickson says. "But being a professor at one of the large schools, their office is a professor's office, and the fact that they tend to dabble in the practice of law doesn't run afoul of our rule

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Kelly Glista

1:02 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Thanks for commenting everyone - we at Patch love to see the conversation! We would like to remind everyone however to please keep the comments calm and clean. Thank you, and thanks for reading Patch!

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Gretchen Robinson

1:29 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

a rightwing family member sent me a screed against both Barak and Michelle Obama as not being lawyers, being kicked out of the profession, on and on, supposedly with proof. He's always sending things that a simple look on Snopes show to be an urban myth.
Watch for wilder and wilder attacks to come as voters take a look at what modern Republicanism has wrought. I'm not anti-republican. I'm anti-zealot and against the present gang of ideologues who push their bizarre notions. And the Billionaires (casino magnate, Adelman; the Koch brothers, etc.) who want to buy the election.

Akins, Romney, Ryan, Brown, Bielat. Not a decent human being in bunch. They will put out any lie in order to win. Going to be a nasty October. Watch for the October Surprise, folks. Keep your crap detector on high.

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Emcee of Seekonk

2:04 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

"I'm not anti-republican." WHAT ????

Name me one living mainstream Republican that you have ever said one decent word about.

"...the Billionaires" What do you think of George Soros, Warren Buffett, Steven Spielberg, and several other billionaires who have given and raised extensive funds for Obama? These are influential billionaires, Gretchen, who want to buy the election. They did it four years ago... it is well known and documented.

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Avon Barksdale

2:39 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Unbelievably, I have to agree with deb, this goes too far ("Not a decent human being in bunch"). I can't sign on with that. Not cool.

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Sinclair

3:09 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

We must remember that many out there in rage radio and Faux News are making milllions of dollars by creating controversy with lies and flimsy and partial information directed to a believing audience. The more the audience believes, the more money they make. Their incomes drop somewhat after the election.

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deb of see-attleboro

3:26 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Sinclair: So why do you suppose a college educated woman like Gretchen falls for this nonsense?

Emcee of Seekonk

2:12 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

You know what, Gretchen, I'm beginning to believe you are an internet troll ("a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."). I don't know why Patch allows you to continue to post as a troll, but I know that I can add you to the list of people to ignore.

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deb of see-attleboro

2:34 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

I think your on to something, Emcee.

Gretchen Robinson

2:22 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Emcee, again, I am baffled by your wild charges, things I never heard about. Where do you get these things!!!?? I suppose your documentation is Faux Gnus or some Tea Party screed. Buffett is giving lots of his billions away to causes that help ameliorate a world of suffering. (Education, healthcare, etc.)

Berkshire Hathaway just bought a local (Attleboro) firm and plans to turn it around. (Unlike Kurt Schilling and his boondoggle. BTW his video company start-up and the resulting debacle could have happened in MA and not RI).

Actually I have said good things about Republicans in the past, Ed Brooke, the State's first African American Senator. I was so proud of him. I even voted for a Republican for Governor (when the Democrats ran John Silber--egad what a nasty tyrant he was! I was at BU at the time)!
I call them as I see them.

I have written this in response to your posts in the past. Guess you don't read them through or bother to remember. But hey, I'm just a woman, easy to discredit (sarcasm)!

Methinks you have a convenient memory....

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Emcee of Seekonk

2:47 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

troll alert

(a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.?

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Amy

2:54 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Berkshire Hathaway just bought a local (Attleboro) firm and plans to turn it around.
...Kind ol like what Bain Capitol did right?

Emcee of Seekonk

2:55 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

@deb... "I think your on to something,..."

Just follow her political posts and it becomes evident that it can be nothing other than that. The editor will give her a pass as usual, but I've grown tired of the foolishness.

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Emcee of Seekonk

3:06 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

@Amy... "Berkshire Hathaway"

Owned by Warren Buffett, and yes I think it does operate like Bain Capitol. Investors with a lot of money can turn companies around which in turn, helps the surrounding population with jobs and boosting the revenue stream in the way of taxes, as well.

The Warren Buffetts or Mitt Romneys of the world are not our enemies.

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Indiana

3:14 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

I love it!! The liberals heads are popping off their shoulders! The truth hurts people...Every comment out of Obama's - Warren's and the MSM are lies. GOD help us if he gets re-elected - Sharia law will rule the day. Good grief. He must be stopped

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Gretchen Robinson

3:14 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

yes, except Berkshire Hathaway runs companies well, gets them on their feet, AND keeps employees in place. Warren Buffett keeps them until they are solvent and even holds onto companies that it takes longer to turn around.
Bain Capitol goes in and fires most of the employees and sells the company off quickly and makes a bundle.
Avon, there is not one decent person in the bunch on the Republicans ticket. Romney /Ryan. Atkins, on and on. Utter intransigence against presidential initiatives (jobs, benefits for veterans etc.). Brown has proven himself again and again as a political operative. The only one who might have some decency is Bielat. I haven't heard him speak.

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Emcee of Seekonk

3:24 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

troll alert

(a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.)

Indiana

3:54 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Democrats find a cause - fund that cause - then lock up the cause voters for eternity. If it wasn't so dirty and would be brilliant

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