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Dunkin' Brands Takes Stand Against Obamacare

The Canton-based company is lobbying the White House to changes its definition of full-time work from 30 hours a week to 40 or more per week, according to reports.

 

Canton-based Dunkin' Brands has joined the fight against Obamacare

The coffee and baked goods company is working to overturn a major provision of Obamacare, according to a Newsmax.com report this week.

Specifically, Dunkin' is lobbying the White House to change its definition of full-time work from at least 30 hours a week to 40 or more per week, CEO Nigel Travis told the Financial Times, according to The Huffington Post.

The change would leave Dunkin', as well as other companies, with fewer workers to insure under the health care reform law, which requires large employers to provide health coverage to all full-time workers and their dependents. Those companies who fail to provide coverage could face a penalty of $2,000 per worker. The mandate applies to every company with 50 or more full-time employees. 

What do you think? Do you support the move by Dunkin' Brands? Let us know in the comments section below.

Related Topics: Dunkin' Donuts, Dunkin' brands, President Barack Obama, and obamacare

paul

7:29 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013

I feel bad for poor Dunkin' Donuts, this Obamacare thing is really going to break their bank. They only make tens of billions per year at their 10,000 stores in 32 countries, how can they afford health care? My heart bleeds for them and all you right wing fanatics that believe this sort of propaganda. What would Honey Dew?

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Peter Hoogerzeil

7:47 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013

Millions of Americans will lose their health insurance under this plan. Premiums under this plan will be unaffordable ad it will be cheaper to pay the fine, or what Chief justice John Roberts called a "tax". The plan is designed to destroy private, employer-paid, health insurance and replace it with a government-run, Soviet-style single payer system.

Dunkin' Donuts is wasting its time. Remember, most Dunkin Donuts locations are small business franchises, and their business model should not be dictated by the federal government. This is only the beginning of a unmitigated disaster.

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paul

7:53 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013

I knew it wouldn't take long for the conspiracy believers to come out. Dunkin' Donuts would do anything for free advertising, this is nothing but a publicity stunt.

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Emcee of Seekonk

9:00 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013

What? In this bluest of blue states, there is someone who is pushing back?

Reality is Seekonk has three or more DDs, and I doubt that any of them hire full-timers... except the manager. And usually a manager is salaried and puts in 100 hours a week.

If DD provides insurance for all, the price of a donut will be $2. Coming and going, it is the little guy who pays. The wealthy remain so, and the rest of us manipulate where we can. If you don't like what DD is doing, don't buy their products.

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deb of see-attleboro

9:56 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013

"I knew it wouldn't take long for the conspiracy believers to come out." LOL!!

Do you really believe this is a publicity stunt?

Peter Hoogerzeil

9:31 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013

Conspiracy believer? Have you read any of the law? It's riddled with taxes, rules, mandates, and radical changes to our health insurance and health delivery system. I could care if we are writing about Dunkin Donuts or Dave and Busters. The fact is all businesses are going to suffer, health care costs will skyrocket, and prices for goods and services will rise. In addition, lines will get longer and care will be rationed. In fact it is already happening.

Socialism new has and never will work. That is exactly what Obamacare is, and socialism kills the free enterprise system.

Get some facts before you demagogue job creators. I'll be glad to go toe to toe and compare nores once you cite something useful and truthful to debate in this forum. .

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paul

11:20 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013

I know you want to blame Obama for everything and you will continue doing so for the next 4 years and beyond. The fact is, a civilized nation like America should have health care for all, and now we do. Ever consider that maybe Dunkin' Donuts really doesn't care that much about the poor girl behind the counter?

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Dennis Naughton

7:43 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

@peter: Suggest yo renounce your Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid now or get off that tired Tea Party "socialism" rhetoric. The American people spoke in the 2012 election. You're in the dustbin of history, but just don't know it yet.

Peter Hoogerzeil

9:34 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013

I hate autocorrect... Just sayin...socialism NEVER has and never will work......I'll be glad to go toe to toe and compare NOTES. .. Sorry.

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deb of see-attleboro

10:11 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013

Peter: The reason why we are heading towards a single payer, government run system is because the "old" system was a hybrid. Group health insurance is not a free market. It is based on socialism. Yet it shuts people out. It puts a worker in bondage. A family of 16 pays the same as a family of three. IMHO, this is not a free market.
A free market would have individuals competing in the market place for the product. Insurance companies could only charge what the market could bear. At least this is my understanding of the free market.
The system was broken. I am not happy with the direction the country chose to go. But I will take a government run system over the "hybrid". I know too many people who have needlessly suffered under our pre-Obamacare health system.

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Dennis Naughton

7:46 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

@deb: Same advice I gave to Peter--Renounce your Social Security, Medicare and Medicare now or give up that tired Tea Party "socialism" nonsense. The American people sorted you out in the 2012 election. Did you miss that?

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deb of see-attleboro

8:53 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Hey Dennis. Did you read what I wrote. I'm with ya!! I am all for a single payer government run health care system. The game is OVER!! You won!
I don't want it that way. But the people voted. Elections have consequences. So can you please move the ball forward so we can get this thing done!!!

Peter Hoogerzeil

10:26 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013

Deb: I absolutely agree with your assessment. You may not agree, but I believe free market can fix our health insurance system. People need an incentive to save money and that will bring costs down in a true free market. What a mess we have!

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John Hutton

10:38 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013

DD sounds just like another sleazy retailer that doesn't want to accept any responsibility for its employees beyond paying them minimum wage. I spoke with an employee this morning who tells me that no part-timers have company provided health insurance and that the full-timers (the Manager) pay a large percentage of their health care premium. By the way, none of this is socialism or capitalism, it is the country grappling with a way to provide health care to ALL of its people, the same issue we addressed with older people in the 50's and 60's going broke because they got sick and had no health insurance because they already had retired. I won't be visiting a DD anytime soon, that's for sure.

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paul

11:28 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013

Thank you John Hutton, finally a comment from someone that lives in the real world. I myself just last month had to start paying for my healthcare because everyone in our union has to start contributing. If I have to pay some, shouldn't Dunkin' Donuts?

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deb of see-attleboro

12:11 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

Maybe DD wants to pay MORE than minimum wage but is hamstrung by government regulation and consumer demand for cheap barely digestible garbage.

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Peter Hoogerzeil

2:33 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

Paul: I live in the real world trying to make ends meet every month, and it gets tougher and tougher as taxes go up, inflation eats my savings, and the value of my dollar decreases due to artificial support from our Federal Reserve to monetize our debt and deficits. That's not just Obama, its the whole Washington establishment that lives outside the real world.

As a public employee the past six years, I have been contributing 25% of my health care premium (in my private sector job I paid nothing). In addition, the state arbitrarily gave municipalities the power to renegotiate health care benefits last year which increased our co-pays and deductibles in order to save money. I'm not complaining about this, but I am making the point that I have a real world perspective like everyone else.

Please stop making off-handed assumptions about those of us who give opinions contrary to your ideology.

Emcee of Seekonk

11:40 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013

Eventually, you will have a list of retailers to avoid: Honey Dew, Walmart, Stop and Shop, etc. Companies exist to make a profit... they will pass on their expenses to consumers.

I wonder how much DD pays in taxes to the State of Massachusetts, or to the the Federal Government. Our economic system depends on these taxes. And yes, even taxes are passed on to we, the consumer. Still and yet, I prefer capitalism with all its warts to socialism with all its so-called equality.

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Carol Bragg

12:01 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

We can reduce the cost of health care in this country, however it is covered, if we stop eating donuts. And it's cheaper to make a good cup of coffee at home. Buy a thermos bottle for coffee to last the day.

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Peter Hoogerzeil

2:36 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

Then the take home coffee companies and thermos manufacturers will be over-taxed and regulated. This is about government control of a huge part of the economy, not health care or health insurance for all Americans.

Carol Bragg

12:18 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

The future of health care costs in this country is on our plates. We can debate from now until Doomsday about how to provide health care insurance, or we can take action individually and collectively, no matter our politics, to dramatically improve our health, cut health care costs, and mitigate climate change. When it's snowing outside and your shovel is waiting for action, brew yourself a cup of coffee and watch Forks Over Knives: http://www.hulu.com/watch/279734?src=sem-plus-google&cmp=507&gclid=CPq7wJ230rQCFYqZ4Aod-RsALw I know a number of people who, for health reasons, have shifted to a plant-based diet and they feel great. One is a tree-surgeon: it's a myth that we need meat and dairy to be strong and healthy. This movie shows a whole fire department that shifted to a plant-based diet to improve their health.

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Michael Kreyssig

1:30 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

Yes Dunkin Donuts has 10,000 stores, of which the vast majority are owned by individual franchisees. The franchise owners currently average about 50,000 dollars per year in gross profit per store. Which why most them own on average between 5 and 10 stores.

How many employees does it take to operate a single store? 4 employees per shift x 3 shifts per day...so on the low end 12 employees. The average health care plan will cost about $8000.00 So that will cost the franchise owner about 100 thousand dollars per store. Please tell me where that money comes from?

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paul

2:31 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

This is not about the Dunkin' Donuts on the corner (they want you to think that) this is about corporate DD. This is about having to put all their 30 hour per week moms on family plans, the local girls will stay on their parents plan.

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Michael Kreyssig

3:43 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

Paul How many part time 30 hr a week employees are up in Canton?Do you really think Dukin Brands would take the PR risk for that? This IS about the little guy on the corner. Dunkin is lobbying on their behalf.

J L R

1:31 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

well guess my Dunkin fix will have to end. I will not support a company that doesn't want to support it's workers. BYE DUNK!

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Carol Bragg

1:45 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

I hope those who oppose having a mandate that employers provide health insurance for their workers refuse to accept health insurance benefits for their own jobs or resign from their jobs and find new employment without health insurance coverage. The latter would be one way of opening up jobs with health benefits to those who don't currently have them. It would also make the arguments against a mandate more credible.

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Peter Hoogerzeil

2:25 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

Carol: As long as my employer gives me the 15 grand a year to invest in my own flexible health care account and the government stops making out-of-pocket or self insurance virtually impossible, I'll give up what I have currently. That benefit is part of my compensation, so if I give it up, I should have that cash untaxed (wishful thinking under Obama) to invest in my own insurance scheme for my family.

You are right... the problem is the system is rigged to favor collectivism... employer packages and networks make it cheaper instead of a free market system. I believe individuals are very capable of making a health insurance system that works for themselves, not some abstract "collective good".

If you're trying to poke at the fact I am a public employee, nice try. I'll go with the free market if the state and federal government would let the free market operate. Unfortunately, our government tries very hard to crush the free market system at every turn, so I, like many, are stuck in this Byzantine system of inefficiency, corruption, and social experimentation with our health and livelihood.

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deb of see-attleboro

3:58 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

Amen, Peter.
The system is rigged.

If it is too complicated for an individual American to get health care, if a high school senior or college student can't fill out a FAFSA without assistance, if Mom and Dad cannot calculate their own income tax without a preparer, we are in a very bad place. Welcome to middle America.

We are in a very bad place.

Carol Bragg

1:54 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

BTW, we lose jobs when we provide health benefits to public service employees. If we were to cut health insurance as a payroll expense, we could hire more employees. Or, we could reduce property and income taxes. I don't advocate this because I believe everyone should have affordable health insurance and employer packages tend to be cheaper than what one can purchase as an individual.

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paul

2:38 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

Dunkin' Donuts is a monster, hardly a day goes by that we don't have to listen to one of their radio or TV commercials. Around here they are only one mile apart in some areas. I don't know anyone that liked having Obamacare shoved down their necks but now it's law and it's time to get over it.

Michael Kreyssig

2:49 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

I have never had a full time job that did not offer health insurance...ever. The only jobs I have ever held that did not offer medical insurance were part-time jobs, something I have not had since high-school, and I have no college education. Two things should be pointed out here.

First I did not enroll in an employee sponsored health care program until I was married and had children. Why? Because it was cheaper for me to pay out of pocket for a visit to the doctor on the rare occasion I became sick than it was for me to contribute 30 to 60 dollars a week out of my pay check.

Secondly, who says that a part-time employee is even looking for health insurance? Go into a Dunkin after 3:00 pm any day of the week and on weekends and tell me 95% of the employees in there are not on their parents insurance. Go into one before 3 pm during the week and tell me at least half aren't already collecting medicare. Throw in the stay at home mom and working mother's hours and on her husbands plan, or the single mother working part-time collecting state benefits...who are we left with?

So why should the government lower the hrs required to be considered full/part-time and force business owners to offer insurance to employees that they can't afford? If you want a job that offers medical insurance as a benefit go work for a company that offers it.

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paul

8:24 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013

Michael, did you read the story? I know it was kind of long but did you read it? Dunkin' Donuts does not want to offer their employees health care. They have money for racing teams, luxury boxes, golf tournaments, naming rights (The Dunk)etc. but they want no part of insuring their people. They have a lot of nerve but no class.

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Michael Kreyssig

9:04 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013

"But the real benefit would likely go to Dunkin's franchisees, who operate more than 10,000 Dunkin' Donuts locations and almost 7,000 Baskin-Robbins restaurants."

http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post=3b06f01e-02c5-4fe1-a779-e4bd447765aa+

You are also aware that McDonalds recieved a waiver, right Paul? So did the AFL/CIO....as did ALL the unions.

I wonder why the fine from the government is less than half the cost of actually providing coverage for the employee. Any idea why that might be Paul?

Growing more concerned by the day!

8:10 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013

American employment will looko very different in the very near future. Many large companies will keep only key senior managers on their Full time payroll and contracted contingcey workers to execute the menial and administrative tasks. That means 95% of Americans that want to work full time will need to sell their services to the highest bidder and recieve only cash compensation and no benefits. Companies will work hard to keep their permanent workforce under 50 employees to avoid the penealties or pay the mear $2000 fine rather than $10,000 health care premium.
If you think your health care is expensive now, wait until you need to pay for the whole nut!

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paul

8:37 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013

Dear more concerned by the day, don't worry, everything you mentioned above has been going on since George W. Bush tanked our economy in 2008. Health care still costs nothing for illegals, veterans, many politicians, homeless, jobless, welfare families and many more that already can't afford it. With less than half of our workforce working, why do you think heath care costs so much?

Michael Kreyssig

9:19 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013

Obama also wants to raise the Federal minimum wage to 9 dollars an hour onforcing fast food chains to give their employees a 24% pay increase on top of medical insurance.

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Carol Bragg

11:09 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013

Part of the reason the economy is falling apart is that there's a widening gap between rich and poor. We all have an equal number of hours in the day. A person who earns $8 an hour (Mass minimum wage) has to work 5 hours to pay a contractor $40 an hour. At least under the old math that I learned, it doesn't work for long to have to work 5 hours to pay some else for 1 hour of work. There are not enough hours in the day or week. Those earning minimum wage can't afford to purchase the services of those in the middle class. The middle class leaks jobs as a result. It doesn't benefit anyone -- lower class or middle class -- to have large numbers of working poor with ill health. We will not have a healthy economy without a healthy workforce. We need to look at more than dollars. How can anyone take pride in their work if they don't receive a fair wage? What does it mean if we don't think government should give handouts to the poor but we also don't think employers should pay a fair wage? These are human beings, not objects to be manipulated or exploited. There are no pure communist or socialist societies any longer, and there are no pure capitalist societies, to my knowledge. Every society has moved to a mixed economy. There apparently is some wisdom in being centrist rather than extreme in either direction.

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Michael Kreyssig

5:18 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013

If I own a convenience store with 10 employees all making $7.25 an hour, and am forced by the government to increase my annual payroll by $27,000.00 I am going to shrink my workforce. Especially in an economy where impulse spending is plummeting. I spend all day in convenience stores. You would not believe how much there business has slowed down in the first month of 2013 alone since the payroll tax increase took place. I talk to store owners who have been in the business for 30 plus years that will tell you they have never seen things so bad. So which do you think is better? 10 people making $7.25, or 7 making $9.00?

Now take Joe Smoe owner of Corporation XYZ operating as Dunkin Donuts A,B,C,D with 50 employees. His payroll has to increase $136000.00 AND he has to pay for medical benefits? Even if it only ends up being of half of the 50 employees, that's still around 200k.

If you fix the economy, and allow the free market to work, every able bodied man and woman should be able to find a job that offers everything they need. The problem is right now you have laid-off software engineers working part-time on the Geek Squad at BestBuy.(who will also be closing about 50 stores in 2013)

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Dennis Naughton

7:50 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Easy Michael---7 people making $9.00. The sky is not falling. What you are advocating is a race toward serfdom. Who do you think would patronize your stores then?

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Steve

8:28 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Dennis Naughton
10:02 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013

Let's have Dunkin' dislose their balance sheet, putting their money where their mouth is.Anyone who patronizes Dunkin' is well aware that they employ people at minimum wage. They particularly exploit immigrants and others who cannot find other employment that pays a decent wage.

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10:06 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Dennis,
As a state Democratic committee member and town committee Chairman I really do believe you owe it to us readers to explain your above comment regarding Dunkin Donuts. Please read my statement below from yesterday and respond so that we can get an accurate representation of the Democratic view with regard to minimum wage and who should receive it.

8:35 am on Monday, February 25, 2013
If pouring coffee does not exemplify the perfect job to pay minimum wage what does?? I’m not trying to be coy or funny here. Dennis, what jobs should pay minimum wage if not counter help????
“They particularly exploit immigrants and others who cannot find other employment that pays a decent wage.”
How is giving a job to someone that “cannot find other employment” exploitation??? Boy I have never felt farther away from the Democratic Party thinking then I have in the last 5

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deb of see-attleboro

11:28 am on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Has anyone mentioned the fact that DD counter help is not your average minimum wage employee? In fact, don't they earn quite a bit in tips?

Dennis Naughton

12:49 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

@deb: Some do some don't. For example, workers are not allowed to have a tip cup at the Sharon location on South Main Street. That is also true a the Emerald Mall and a number of other places. Other shops, such as Main Street Foxborough and Norfolk center do allow it. It seems to completely depend on the whim of the franchisee.

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deb of see-attleboro

1:55 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

That's right. I do recall visiting a DD on the Pawtucket/Seekonk line that did not allow tipping.
Leaving this up to the franchisee is pretty dumb, IMO. I think it would be beneficial to the employee, the patron and the DD brand to have a singular policy regarding tipping. Having said that, I know many people who do quite well at chain coffee shops.

Dennis Naughton

1:01 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Note to Steve: My comments on Patch are my own, and have nothing to do with any position I might hold except by coincidence. The DSC website contains the state party platform and should you wish to read it, I encourage you to do so. The platform is generated and revised regularly by an open, grass roots process. In fact that process is in high gear right now. It will generate the platform that will be adopted at the July 13, 2013 Democratic State Convention in Lowell. The Foxborough Democratic Town Committee will host a platform hearing at the Foxborough Public Safety Building on Sunday, March 24, 2013.

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Steve

2:19 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

Ok so i "your" own words please answer my questions-
If pouring coffee does not exemplify the perfect job to pay minimum wage what does?? What jobs should pay minimum wage if not counter help????
“They particularly exploit immigrants and others who cannot find other employment that pays a decent wage.”
How is giving a job to someone that “cannot find other employment” exploitation???

Dennis Naughton

2:47 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

My personal response @Steve: I do not know what the hierarchy exists behind any given DD counter. However, for entry level staff, a minimum wage of $9.00 would be satisfactory to me at present. That is why I support raising the federal minimum wage to a minimum of $9.00. Further, all DD's should allow a tip cup on the counter in addition to that $9.00 wage; many franchisees do not currently allow this. Regarding exploitation of immigrants----that can take a variety of forms, certainly not all economoic, depending upon whether the individual is here legally or illegally. People who really need a job, or who may be here illegally may be required to do all kinds of things out of fear of reprisal or dismissal--not all of them work. Please note here that I am not saying that this is the case at DD, as I have no such evidence.

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Steve

3:49 pm on Thursday, February 28, 2013

But your direct quote was at Dunkin Donuts
"They particularly exploit immigrants and others who cannot find other employment that pays a decent wage"....Those are your own words, cut and pasted from your own post.
So you agree that counter help should pay minimum wage, you just disagree with the current minimum wage.
Let me ask you somehting about raising the minimum wage, doesn't that just increase the rate of inflation? And when the Minimum wage gets raised so does everybody elses rate go up and then the cost of manufacturing goes up anf then the price we pay at the stores goes up and by the time we finish, the person making minimum wage is actually making less money when you figure in inflation??

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